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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:54 pm    Post subject: Is Messenger Plus 325 still consider spyware? Reply with quote

Is Messenger Plus 325 still consider spyware?

The reason I asked, it now gives you the option to install sponsor stuff. It does not automatically install this stuff. Nothing was detected by spybot S&D, adaware or avg scanners or my firewall.

So I guess this application is basically spyware/adaware if you want it?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will always be spyware while it is partnered with Lop.com , in my opinion.

The option to install the lop spyware has always been there according to the messenger plus developer , just most people never bother to read the eula or think there is nothing dangerous from installing the sponsor program , until they get hijacked by it.

The fact that patchou is a partner of the Lop spyware company means that by using it you are supporting a company who are one of the major sources of spyware all over the net.

There are plenty of people who will use it anyway , and who will cry that it's not spyware , as always it's up to the users to make the final decision whether they can trust it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be interesting to see what happens, when the new law goes into effect against spyware.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It will be interesting to see what happens, when the new law goes into effect against spyware.


Sorry, i must have been sleeping................ What law ??

You mean that someones actually doing something about this spyware c**p, when does it take effect ?

Any links ??
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two anti-spyware bills were passed in the House only. There is a bill in the Senate that has not been voted on yet.

California passed an anti-spyware law but it's worse than worthless because it makes Claria look legitimate.

There's good info here on the legislation.

http://www.benedelman.org/
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:03 pm    Post subject: spyware law Reply with quote

Thanks for the link..........

Quoted from http://www.benedelman.org/

Goodlatte's H.R.4661 prohibits unauthorized software installation but only under specific, narrow circumstances. I can't immediately say that SearchLocate/SideBar and TVMedia are used in furtherance of a Federal criminal offense, so Sec.2.(a) is inapplicable. And I can't say that the programs intentionally obtain or transmit personal information with the intent to defraud, injure, or cause damage. Surely the programs' authors would deny any such intent. So Sec.2.(b) is inapt too. Looks like Goodlatte's bill wouldn't help.

After reading the item marked in red, my initial thought is that the company (Grokster) is commiting fraud.

By clicking "Cancel" or "I disagree" you as the end user are implying that you do not want any of this software installed on your machine because of personal reasons (what ever they are), and ....... if some software is installed surely it would be against your wishes (or perhaps your knowledge).


Isn't this breach of contract ??

And furthermore....... according to some terms and conditions, you cannot alter, modify, sell, or make available (or reverse engineer) many pieces of software. So why doesn't someone break the terms and conditions and see what happens. (Could be interesting)

OR........

Reverse engineer the spyware to give negative or false results back to the receiver. ??
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trespasser wrote:
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It will be interesting to see what happens, when the new law goes into effect against spyware.


Sorry, i must have been sleeping................ What law ??

You mean that someones actually doing something about this spyware c**p, when does it take effect ?

Any links ??


http://news.com.com/Anti-spyware+bill+heads+for+House/2100-1028_3-5246876.html
http://www.securitypipeline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=21600076
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/20/us_anti_spyware/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/19/overstock_utah_spyware/

There are many more references if you want them. Utah passed their law about a year ago but it is up for legal review. As far as I know the OverStock suit is the only case where somebody is attempting to use the Utah law. The US FTC contends these laws are not necessary because they already cover the problems - sheesh, they must not even have a computer any where at the US FTC! How much worse do they want the problem to get before action is taken? The only thing that they have right is that due diligence needs to be paid to not trampling on International, as well as national laws. I am getting tired of hearing people complain it violates this or that amendment to the US Constitution. The problem is global people, and International laws need to be drafted to handle it. People that do not understand that are very naive. How do you handle something coming from Tonga (they seem to be very good at hiding the porn vendors and other nefarious types)? It doesn't matter that the admins handling the site are actually living in Amsterdam, and the machines actually doing the serving are Akamai servers in Foxboro, MA. Do you get the picture? Now how in the world are you going to be able to successfully sue them in Utah?

Don't depend on laws - education of end users and helping them to protect themselves is the only real option not only for now, but perhaps forever.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't depend on laws - education of end users and helping them to protect themselves is the only real option not only for now, but perhaps forever.


You are of course absolutely right, the laws are patchy, incomplete, and have as many holes as a seive.

User education is the only way to go, along with the improvement of anti-spy software.

But please don't let Mr Gates and his windowz team anywhere near it.
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