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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting discussion around here...

I wonder how the Privacy Tools 2004 looks similar to ADS Remover.. not even the interface looks the same. And if you are referring to the functionality, well... look again.

In the latest beta of the Privacy Tools, the "suspicious activex controls" are gone. I guess Ashley didn't upload that yet. Besides that, it is the fault of the people that actually sell spyware databases (at least that's what they call them) without documenting them the proper way first. Programmers can't do much if they don't have the proper resources to work with.

There isn't a 100% effective anti-spyware program. There isn't a 100% effective anti-adware program. The heck, there isn't even a 100% effective popup blocker! Why are we searching for a needle in the hay stack?!?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric, I was just wondering; would it be good to include in your rogue notes when certain sets of definitions are extremely hazardous if used.
Just the F/Ps alone would likely severely cripple any unsuspecting user.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheProphet:

You wrote:

TheProphet wrote:
I wonder how the Privacy Tools 2004 looks similar to ADS Remover.. not even the interface looks the same. And if you are referring to the functionality, well... look again.


I am looking again, and I notice that ADS Adware Remover and Privacy Tools 2004 share a number of common buttons and other GUI elements. There are some differences, but they look to be closely related to me.

TheProphet wrote:
In the latest beta of the Privacy Tools, the "suspicious activex controls" are gone. I guess Ashley didn't upload that yet.


If you're an employee of Ashley's or enjoy some other close relationship (consultant, partner, et al), you really ought to identify just who you are and what that relationship is.

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Besides that, it is the fault of the people that actually sell spyware databases (at least that's what they call them) without documenting them the proper way first. Programmers can't do much if they don't have the proper resources to work with.


No, sorry. It's the fault of the company who releases, markets, and sells the anti-spyware tool. All the best anti-spyware companies do their own development and research in house. They don't buy databases of questionable provenance and quality from third-parties. If Privacy Tools 2004 is not in control of the research that goes into the database used in the application (and that is what you seem to be suggesting), then the company's product cannot be trusted.

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There isn't a 100% effective anti-spyware program. There isn't a 100% effective anti-adware program. The heck, there isn't even a 100% effective popup blocker! Why are we searching for a needle in the hay stack?!?


And that's a lame excuse for the extraordinarily poor performance of PT2004 reported here -- a strawman argument that serves no purpose other than to distract. No one here argued that an anti-spyware program had to be 100 percent effective or accurate. We do insist, however, that anti-spyware programs not generate hundreds of false positives at a crack and that they detect at least a fair amount of the malware on a user's hard drive. In the tests reported here, Privacy Tools 2004 failed miserably on all fronts.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still looking around to buy another database, if a decent ones come then i'll implement into my software. I'm still going to continue distributing anti spyware removal programs. As soon as i have the F/P's fixed in my application it will be sold. And you cant really do nothing about it. All your bitchin and it comes to nothing.

And to be honest i'm even thinking of having some programmers write me some spyware. Yep, actual spyware to infect ppls machines. Why? Cus you all suck. I'm trying to work with you but you couldnt give a sh1t. So why try and work with the anti-spyware community when there only against you? You guys are against me so much that i'm going to start distributing spyware myself, its not hard. UNDETECTABLE stuff too Wink To be honest theres probably more money in this then the actual spyware removal.

I've always been treated as your enemy so soon i will be.

Some of you need to get a day job too. There are more important things in this world that need your help. And you want to fight spyware? LOL

Listen, I'm 22 years old and making more money then most of you old enough to be my parents. We all need to make living. Just like the ppl at Gator and all the spyware companies. We all need to make money Smile As long as my money making ways continue to be legal, i'll continue to do them. Including the distribution of spyware for the means of selling advertising Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As long as my money making ways continue to be legal, i'll continue to do them.


You know, most of the world used to deal with folks like you by putting you in prison. Whatever happened to that concept? Smile

While I'm rarely in favor of regulatory actions when it comes to the net...there has to be an end to the criminal activities. As far as I know, most preople still consider the theft of users money, time, and resources a crime.



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Listen, I'm 22 years old and making more money then most of you old enough to be my parents.


I wonder how your parents would feel to know you grew up without any ethics.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Listen, I'm 22 years old and making more money then most of you old enough to be my parents. We all need to make living. Just like the ppl at Gator and all the spyware companies. We all need to make money As long as my money making ways continue to be legal, i'll continue to do them. Including the distribution of spyware for the means of selling advertising


What ever happened to making an honest living? A life full of deception and lies is doomed to eventual failure. You are accruing a lot of "bad karma" and sooner or later it will catch up with you. I suppose being involved in online gambling casino sites fits right in with your lack morals and ethics too. Rolling Eyes

Your public display of bad behaviour is absolutely appalling.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What ever happened to making an honest living?


Well i'm being honest and making a living at the same time. So its all good Very Happy When i install 'spyware' or 'adware' on ppls comps i will ensure they know whats happening by placing it in the EULA of the software.

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A life full of deception and lies is doomed to eventual failure. You are accruing a lot of "bad karma" and sooner or later it will catch up with you.


I dont lie or deceive people so again its all good. I have no worries. I want success in my life and i wont stop until i do. So far so good. 6 months ago i aimed to quit my job so i could work from home, done that np. If I want something, I'll get it (or work as hard as i can until i do get it).

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I suppose being involved in online gambling casino sites fits right in with your lack morals and ethics too.


Whats up with online gambling? Is it not legal? This is just your personal opinion and until they change the laws to fit your likes and dislikes then i'm afraid it will be around for awhile.

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Your public display of bad behaviour is absolutely appalling.


What are you my mom now? I see no bad behaviour here.

Suzi i came to your forum open and honest and telling you all what was happening with my software. I wanted to make it work and try and sell a decent product. You ppl wouldnt even give me a chance so theres no point in even trying anymore.

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You know, most of the world used to deal with folks like you by putting you in prison. Whatever happened to that concept?


That concept didnt ever exist. What do you mean folks like me? Someone trying to make a living? Never heard of anyone being jailed for someone trying to make a living Very Happy

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While I'm rarely in favor of regulatory actions when it comes to the net...there has to be an end to the criminal activities. As far as I know, most preople still consider the theft of users money, time, and resources a crime.


Well you've been wasting my time it seems. Are you gonna get jailed for that? Dont try and scare me with all this talk. I know i have nothing to worry about.

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I wonder how your parents would feel to know you grew up without any ethics.


I did grow up with ethics thanks. Just ones that you dont seem to agree with. They are actually very proud of me, I'm registered as self employed and my own boss.

At the end of the day i've said all i need to say.

Whats happening with PT2004? Well were still workin on the F/P's, nearly got them sussed. As soon as there sorted my software will go back on the market. It will also probably be re-named and re-designed.

Best of luck to you all.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As soon as there sorted my software will go back on the market. It will also probably be re-named and re-designed.

Gee, I wonder whay that is? Certainly couldn't be because your so proud of this program could it? What possible reason could you have for changing the name other than trying to fool the people such as the ones here, who can tell your product is an absolute scam. Well, guess what hon, it won't work, the people here are smarter than you will ever be. They keep records of all the things they test, how do you think they know when someone rips off or buys a definitions data base?

I can't wait for your next app, so you can come back and try to defend that one too. And no doubt, you will change your log in name, because your so proud oif yourself, right?

And why don't you send this thread link to your mom and dad, and see just how proud they will be after that?

Any decent parents would be appalled by such a child who looks to rip off unsuspecting people. Unlkess your dad is Walt Rines of course.

And I can imaghine what you EULA will look like, more than likely full of holes disparities and trick phrases.

As usual, I will sit and read chuckling as you continue to try and justify yourself and your apps. Its always good to see dishonets people exposed.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gee, I wonder whay that is? Certainly couldn't be because your so proud of this program could it? What possible reason could you have for changing the name other than trying to fool the people such as the ones here, who can tell your product is an absolute scam.


Too right i'm proud of my program, alot of hard work and money has gone into it.The reason for changing the name? I'm sure you know is actually a business thing, i dont care about your testers here. I'll send them a copy to test anytime.

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Well, guess what hon, it won't work, the people here are smarter than you will ever be. They keep records of all the things they test, how do you think they know when someone rips off or buys a definitions data base?


Hon? WTF u on? I'm male so you must be gay or a female. Yes the people here are smarter then me... But I am employing ppl even smarter then them. Ppl who can write UNDETECTABLE spyware.

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I can't wait for your next app, so you can come back and try to defend that one too. And no doubt, you will change your log in name, because your so proud oif yourself, right?


Nope wrong. Why would i waste my time? I keep saying i dont care what you ppl think anymore. As long as my actions are legal I will continue to do them.

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Any decent parents would be appalled by such a child who looks to rip off unsuspecting people.


I aint ripped no one off so stfu. If u think i've ripped someone off why dont u prove it and do something about? You know why? Cus u cant prove nothing cus i aint done nothing wrong Smile

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And I can imaghine what you EULA will look like, more than likely full of holes disparities and trick phrases.


My EULA will be written in plain english, clearly explaining to the user what is involved when installing my software.

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As usual, I will sit and read chuckling as you continue to try and justify yourself and your apps. Its always good to see dishonets people exposed.


Nope, as i said, when my software is re-branded i wont waste no more time here. When i have i been dishonest u fool? Answer me that question?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Ashley - let me get something straight here. You think there's nothing wrong with tricking people into thinking there is spyware on their computers in order to sell them your product? That's exactly what happens when it produces false positives. Your unsuspecting victims are frightened and upset when they see all of the false positives and think they have to buy the program.

If you think that's ethical and honest, then you grew up in a different universe than I did and different from everyone else in this group. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So Ashley - let me get something straight here. You think there's nothing wrong with tricking people into thinking there is spyware on their computers in order to sell them your product? That's exactly what happens when it produces false positives. Your unsuspecting victims are frightened and upset when they see all of the false positives and think they have to buy the program.


Suzie, I'm sorry but can i ask have you been reading my posts? Why the hell do you think i'm here? Why have I been openling posting in your forum saying 'Yes i know the software produces false positives and its being worked on' - Why do you think have i stopped selling the software? Mad

I dont want to trick people and have the software produces false positives, just so they purchase. When have i ever said that? This was just simply an error in the software, a mistake i have learnt from. I didnt even know it did it until i read Erics review and another review i read confirmed it. We even added a 'Ignore' list in the last version, so if the software produces a false positive, the user can add it to there ignore list.

Over the past week or so I have been working my ass off to get this new database 'false positive' free and i think we have nearly cracked it. I will openly say our database isnt as good as the best and it certainly wont have every spyware/adware definition it. But its a start and something to work on.

At the end of the day, many of your visitors dont like the fact I'm in it for the business. Its ok and I understand this, I dont take it personally Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heres some qoutes from my post to jog your memory about what i've been saying

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All the Technical people on this forum will understand this better then most (FYI I dont do the programming of the software before you ask me any tech questions). The problem with the scanning engine was we were using the incorrect RSA MD5 algorithm for identifying files as spyware. So because we were using this wrong algorithm the software identifies files as spyware when they are actually not, which = False Positives.


Remember when i said this next one?

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As stated above I have stopped selling the software for the time being until I have it fully tested. I didnt remember seeing PAL spyware remover in your rogue list so I redirected to another application in the mean time. Yes it is an affiliate re-direct but Im not in this for fun and making a living has to be ones priority. As I believe my new version will be ready by Sunday/Monday or the middle of next week at the latest in the mean time I will re-direct all my traffic to this site (currently about 700-800 unique visitors a day, not sure my affiliates will be too happy ) I'll also spend the next few days emailing my customers to advise them of the problems in the software and to advise them to discontinue using it until the new version is ready.


You see all this is before, you and users started posting.

Then i got this

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I see someone wanting to sell just another halfass anti-spy that doesn't work. You will never have a good product as long as the only reason your are here is to make money. A real bot killer is deved with passion...code alone will not suffice.


Just after I had openly said i had mistakes and were trying to fix them. WTF? Why did he just blow me down without even giving me a chance and even chance to make a second post? You see to me that reads:

In it for the business = NO GOOD, NO MATTER WHAT!

Why else would he say "You will never have a good product as long as the only reason your are here is to make money."

Well my friend Symantec are in it in for the money and dam they have a few good apps. If they stopped making money they would cease to exist, as would Lavasoft if they stopped making money.

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Why don't you tell us something of your goals?...or is your only goal to sell worthless wares to unsuspecting users? What makes you any diff from all the dozens of other crap peddlers that are poping up all over the place?


To me this says enough for now. Can someone explain to me why i should answer these questions? If I was asking Suzie a similar question it would sound like:

Why don't you tell me something of your goals suzie?...or is your only goal to help to unsuspecting users and try and make a name for yourself? What makes you any diff from all the dozens of other crap peddling forusm that are poping up all over the place?

Now if i asked u that question suzie, without even knowing you, what would your response be?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I aint ripped no one off so stfu. If u think i've ripped someone off why dont u prove it and do something about? You know why? Cus u cant prove nothing cus i aint done nothing wrong


That's all I need to see.
Abusive language, bad grammar and completely unprofessional.
Not a very good way to make friends and influence people in the security field.

You might impress the l33t, but you have failed miserably to impress me (let's not forget that I am one who gave you the benefit of the doubt).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ash1ey wrote:
Nick wrote:
The home page of it has the look of being highly suspect and seems to follow the standard formula that the rogue ones follow. What is up with the girl getting videotaped at the top?


As you appear to be hot on web design and layout, maybe you can explain to me what the standard formula that rogue ones follow and why you feel mine is the same?

Thanks



I think you answered it yourself:

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And to be honest i'm even thinking of having some programmers write me some spyware. Yep, actual spyware to infect ppls machines. Why? Cus you all suck.... You guys are against me so much that i'm going to start distributing spyware myself, its not hard. UNDETECTABLE stuff too Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's all I need to see.
Abusive language, bad grammar and completely unprofessional.
Not a very good way to make friends and influence people in the security field.


Hmm... Well why dont you try and look at my first posts.

Why should I bother to try and make new friends and influence you people when the first time I tried I wasnt even given a chance? Please try and answer this questions and you might see where I'm coming from. As for the bad grammar, I'm just trying to make shortcuts when I'm typing. I've wasted enough time here as it is.

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You might impress the l33t, but you have failed miserably to impress me (let's not forget that I am one who gave you the benefit of the doubt).


I aint trying to impress no one here. And yes you did give me the benefit of the doubt, but what I am saying in my last posts is, you were probably the only one. Everyone else just saw me as scum. If more people would have gave me the benefit of the doubt instead of shooting me down after my first posts, we wouldnt be where were are at now. Look through the posts, most people stop posting after they've had a good old dig at me. This just proves my point.

Nick, the website questions hasnt actually been answered. Your post doesnt make much sense to me sry.

And YES if I still get treated like your enemy in all this then YES I will look at distributing some spyware (and then you can really call me your enemy and then you wont have to give me a chance). But like i keep saying, you ppl keep treating me like your enemy so I may as well be one. I'm not having all you say that I lie and cheat and deceive ppl when i dont. Most of you even claim to me admiting it but this is just they way ppl like to read what i have said, there not reading fully what i saying. If you like and can go thourgh my posts again and qoute some more stuff.

THERE IS NO REAL POINT IN CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION. WE ARE JUST GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES. IT SEEMS YOUR ALL ALOUD TO ASK ME QUESTIONS AND EXPECT ANSWSER BUT WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS I GET NO RESPONSE. WHY DONT SOMEONE (PREFERBLY SUZIE) GO THROUGH THE LAST 2 POSTS I MADE AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS? WHY? BECAUSE YOU KNOW I'M RIGHT BUT YOU JUST DONT WANT TO MAKE YOUR FRIENDS LOOK BAD.

AT THE END OF THE DAY AS LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO LABEL ME AS THE BAD GUY I'LL NEVER GET MY POINT ACROSS.

SUZIE, AS SOON AS YOU GET CHANCE i'D BE GRATEFUL IF YOU COULD ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IN MY LAST TWO POSTS.[/b]
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And YES if I still get treated like your enemy...


You exploit users looking for help from other exploits. When they use your product, they are left more crippled by your wares than by the spyware. I'd say you have already deved a fine malware and you are definitely a public enemy.

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THERE IS NO REAL POINT IN CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION.


You are probably right. You've made it clear that your concern is only for scaming folks. And as long as folks like you exist, there will be folks like us around.

I think it possible that someone duped you into buying this crap as a get rich scheme. But you are very well aware of your position now and any future actions with this venture will reflect a concious and fully aware decision on your part to defraud and abuse users. We will do everything we can to stop you and your kind.

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I offer my services to any legal eagle or abused user seeking legal remedies. Fraud and neglegent damages are proven both in your product and in your responses here.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikey WTF? LOL

Your post is simply proving my point.

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You exploit users looking for help from other exploits. When they use your product, they are left more crippled by your wares than by the spyware. I'd say you have already deved a fine malware and you are definitely a public enemy.


When i have knowingly exploited users? I have never, yes NEVER had one customer report to me that damage was done to there computer after using my product.

Mikey let me ask you something, if i really wanted to exploit my users, would i really come here in this forum admitting my software has problems? Why didnt i just continue to sell my software like the rest on the Rogue list?

At the end of the day you dont like it that i'm here for the business, you need to get it over and move on.

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But you are very well aware of your position now and any future actions with this venture will reflect a concious and fully aware decision on your part to defraud and abuse users. We will do everything we can to stop you and your kind.


HAHAHAHA. Man you just cant read can you? Yes I am fully aware of my future actions and what i am doing with this venture, but if you were able to read properly you will understand that my software wont get sold until it stops producing F/P's - Do you want me to qoute some stuff i've been saying and try to explain it so you understand it? At the end of the day there isnt nothing you can to do stop me selling my software, not u or anyone else in this forum.

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I offer my services to any legal eagle or abused user seeking legal remedies. Fraud and neglegent damages are proven both in your product and in your responses here.


You are really a joke arent u? Show me the fraud and neglegent damages which you CLAIM are proven? You dont scare me so stop trying to.

The longer spywarewarrior and its member continue to make false claims against me and my software the more I will pay my legal guy to find something for me to prosecute you and bring you guys down.

In fact Suzie, I have someone working on this right now. I'm sorry but Mikey keeps making false claims against me and I have no alternative but to take action against this forum and this site SpywareWarrior.com

Watch what your saying.
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In fact Suzie, I have someone working on this right now. I'm sorry but Mikey keeps making false claims against me and I have no alternative but to take action against this forum and this site SpywareWarrior.com

Watch what your saying.


Ashley, I'm not affiliated with this board other than as a part of the public membership but if you wish to see me in court, simply PM me with your attorney's credentials and I'll be happy to fwd the info he'll need to bring action against me. Yours would certainly not be the first threat of this type I have recieved and I doubt it will be the last.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Very entertaining.

I understand Ashley's desire to make a profit, and it doesn't bug me that he wants to do it with anti-spyware software. But I've never seen good software like that that doesn't have a passionate anti-malware person at the helm - even those companies that turn a profit are ALSO driven by something other than money, like Webroot or Pest Patrol. So I suspect in the end even if the software doesn't suck, I doubt it'll end up being anything I'd recommend. It seems like the "make a buck flavor of the month" - hence the about face to possibly going the spyware route. And THAT was a mistake in a forum like this. Ashley, you'll never live that down here; a bonehead play if you care about the opinions here. And though you may say you don't, you ARE still here...

As for the legal thing, give it a rest. After the statements you've made (including those about "going to the dark side"), you got nuthin'.
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SUZIE, AS SOON AS YOU GET CHANCE i'D BE GRATEFUL IF YOU COULD ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IN MY LAST TWO POSTS.[/


Ash1ey - I'll agree that you came here in good faith to address problems with PrivacyTools2004. But when confronted with the truth about your app, you've fallen to pieces, resorted to name-calling, swearing, threatened to distribute spyware, etc. You've contradicted yourself many times. All in all, you've done a good job of making yourself look like an ass.

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Why don't you tell me something of your goals suzie?...or is your only goal to help to unsuspecting users and try and make a name for yourself? What makes you any diff from all the dozens of other crap peddling forusm that are poping up all over the place?


My goals are #1 - simply to help people who have been victimized by spyware to get rid of it and learn now to protect themselves from it; and # 2 to help prevent people from being ripped off by scammers pushing ineffective, unsafe software. I'm not in this for money; I have few affiliate ads for Aluria's Spyware Eliminator but that's all. I'm not a computer professional, just a Netizen who got angry when I got hijacked and infected with spyware and decided to so something about it.

I have a question for you now - was PrivacyTools2004 licensed from AthiVision? It seems to be nearly identical to AdwareX Eliminator and has the same false positives. And if so, aren'r you bound by their licensing agreement which would prohibit you from changing the software without their consent?

The link on this page
http://www.privacytools2004.com/order.html

to the EULA, actually goes here:
http://adware-remover.net/eula.html

which gives a page not found error.

So does that mean you also own http://adware-remover.net/ ?
At the bottom of that page, it says this:

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Copyright 2004-2005 Ashley's Digital Solutions - ADS Adware Remo


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We really do recommend you try Littlewoods Casino out. You play in 's and get paid in 's straight back to your Debit Card. This is a UK casino at its best. And with a 50 new player match bonus at the moment, you've got nothing to lose. Click here to try the Littlewoods Casino. UK Gambling is best done at littlewoods casino


Somehow online casino gambling and anti-malware software just don't seem like a good combination as far as inspiring trust in my opinion.
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Nick, the website questions hasnt actually been answered. Your post doesnt make much sense to me sry.


The point is you answered your own question about the website as it existed when I made the comment about it looking suspect. The site had the look of being quickly made and used generic templates meaning not too much work had gone into it. Therefore, the product behind it is not worth whatever price it is being sold for, since it was quickly made using just as the website was. In the time since I first posted, you have:

  • Stated you are leaving the discussion multiple times only to continue it. Sort of reminds me of a spoiled child not getting his way.

  • Ignored technical questions posed to you
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    Read my comments carefully before posting. I aint going to waste my time typing when its not being read correctly.

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    First, I don't seem to be able to find any logs or backups. What kind of bot killer is that?


    They are there, again you not looking properly. We couldnt have made them more clear.

    You evade the question and blame mikey

    You never answered one item in this entire post by Eric here. You respond to another poster and say you will respond to comments later, but you never do.
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    No sry they are the same files, no files have been changed. What makes you think i changed the files?

    I'll respond to your comments soon. Havent got the time at the minute.


  • Stated you will deliberately add spyware to your program
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    And to be honest i'm even thinking of having some programmers write me some spyware. Yep, actual spyware to infect ppls machines. Why? Cus you all suck.... You guys are against me so much that i'm going to start distributing spyware myself, its not hard. UNDETECTABLE stuff too Wink

    This is the first substansive post after Eric's, but you talk about adding real spyware and saying that "we suck".


    In a later post you reiterate that you are employing people who write spyware
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    But I am employing ppl even smarter then them. Ppl who can write UNDETECTABLE spyware.




Based on your behavior in this topic, I think it is safe to say that your website is suspect.

You have probably realized that making a decent antispyware tool is alot of work by now. It is more than just getting someone to write a detection database and wrapping it in a pretty GUI. If you really want to make a decent legit product, you will need to act a bit more mature and not ignore questions about problems with it, like the improper removal of webhancer files from the winsock. I'm not sure if you are ready for the work that lies ahead of you if you choose to make a legit antispyware app. It may be easier to make a rogue one, since you just throw something together and peddle it on the unsuspecting...

If you want to make a quality app, then start by addressing Eric's comments in this post here and stop talking about everything else but that.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday I took the first step towards taking action against the posts in this forum. I have contacted an attorney in the US to represent me.

I quote from an email they sent me:

"You can sue for any defamatory posts that in fact do damage you-- Our attorneys could also become directly involved"

From here on I retain my right to remain silence until further advice is sought.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yesterday I took the first step towards taking action against the posts in this forum. I have contacted an attorney in the US to represent me.

I quote from an email they sent me:

"You can sue for any defamatory posts that in fact do damage you-- Our attorneys could also become directly involved"

From here on I retain my right to remain silence until further advice is sought.

Sure they'll say that. There COULD be big money involved for them. After they find out the details of the case and that there *won't* be any money for them they'll turn you down for contingent representation. They'll still work for you hourly or by case, but you'll pay a lot. Is it worth that much to you for a temper tantrum?

More established and financially sound spyware companies have been lambasted by LOTS of anti-malware sites worse than you have. Megabuck movies have been lambasted by critics so bad they lost millions in potential ticket sales. These do not result in successful lawsuits, and there's a reason for that.

As I said, you got nuthin'.
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Sorry but i will not be answering your questions until I have spoken to my attorney.

One thing I would however like to say, money in this case, is not a problem. The damages caused to my business are more important then money.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One thing I would however like to say, money in this case, is not a problem. The damages caused to my business are more important then money.
Exclamation You're forgetting one important thing: What about the damages caused by your software to all the unsuspecting users of your spyware program?
If all these users would combine their claim and sue you for it, then you would go broke.
One less to worry about! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I feel I can answer these questions as you seem to be missing my point here.

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You're forgetting one important thing: What about the damages caused by your software to all the unsuspecting users of your spyware program?


You see, your missing the important point here not me. It is claims like these that I wish to pursue action against. Since coming to this forum the members and owner have constantly claimed that I knowingly and on purpose try to rip people off. You have constantly claimed that my software has caused damage to users PC's. I have all the proof I need to prove otherwise.

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Megabuck movies have been lambasted by critics so bad they lost millions in potential ticket sales. These do not result in successful lawsuits, and there's a reason for that.


I dont mind people reviewing my software. You have the freedom of speech in this public place. Its the false allegations made against me I wish to pursue action against.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just read thru the forum post the other night. At first, I was impressed when Ash1ey seemed to suggest that he ("Ashley" is a man's name in Britain) would fix PrivacyTools2004's problems but he apparently cannot take criticism of any kind. Although, I wonder if people didn't dump on him a bit too harshly, at least initially (after his first 8/21 post). By and large I agree with the approach that the members take when it comes to purveyors of sleazeware but when he said this I was inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt:

"This is all a learning process for me, I had to start somewhere. Not a good start but you can only learn from your mistakes and move forward."

I think that he should have had one of his programmers/coders do the posting on his behalf (Ashley is the owner of the company, not a programmer). That is what a responsible small business owner should have done (delegate), IMHO. But he became far too defensive, all the while admitting that he knew little about the tech end of his product. And his later posts where he kept on emphasizing that he was in business to make money (who isn't, but that does not mean automatically jettisoning your ethics and morals), no matter what the means, just exposed him for the slimy little weasel that he is.

It would be interesting to see someone create a web page with the name along the lines of "PrivacyTools2004-is-scumware" to counter his threats of infecting as many innocent eople as he can pathetically manage.

Haven't you heard, Ash1ey: "When the revolution comes, the lawyers will be the first ones with their backs against the [firing] wall"? That probably needs to be amended to include purveyors of scumware like yourself. Oh, and have fun spending untold thousands of dollars in mounting a legal effort that will ultimately fail. What will Mommy & Daddy think of you then?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One thing I would however like to say, money in this case, is not a problem. The damages caused to my business are more important then money.


Check your premises. The "damages caused to my business" will directly affect your income so money, in this case, is the problem for you. Get a grip on reality.
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It would be interesting to see someone create a web page with the name along the lines of "PrivacyTools2004-is-scumware" to counter his threats of infecting as many innocent eople as he can pathetically manage.


Please go ahead and try it. I see you say it would be interesting to see 'someone' create a site and you dont actually want to take that risk yourself. Also, I never did say I would distribute spyware with my spyware removal tool.

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But he became far too defensive


And why do you think this is? I'm not going to let the members of this forum make false claims against me and damage my business.

Harry, if i started saying to people that you mug old ladies for a living would you allow me to continue to making these false algerations against you without you doing anything?

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Oh, and have fun spending untold thousands of dollars in mounting a legal effort that will ultimately fail.


If i wasnt confindent enough in this case i wouldnt have bothered asking for legal help. I am confident I have case and will let the courts decide on the outcome.

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Check your premises. The "damages caused to my business" will directly affect your income so money, in this case, is the problem for you. Get a grip on reality.


I have a grip on reality that was just a typo. What i meant was I have spent thousands having my software developed and marketing my poduct. I'll spend as much as need to protect it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am taking the advise of my legal guy and I am not going to be taking this any further.

At the end of the day as soon as my beta version is finished I will continue to sell my software and will do so knowing that I am doing nothing wrong. Nothing illegal, nothing dishonest.

Been fun speaking to you all Wink
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May I have a free Beta Test?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ash1ey wrote:
I am taking the advise of my legal guy and I am not going to be taking this any further.

At the end of the day as soon as my beta version is finished I will continue to sell my software and will do so knowing that I am doing nothing wrong. Nothing illegal, nothing dishonest.

Been fun speaking to you all Wink


I've heard you say you were leaving before:


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I wonder if you will this time?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am taking the advise of my legal guy and I am not going to be taking this any further.


Good riddance. I am sure that you will feel more at home back underneath the slimy rock that you obviously crawled out from.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been doing a bit more looking at these ADS variants.

Ashley, before you leave, could you tell me just a portion of the nasties that your tool can PROPERLY remove? Just a short list would help as I'm having a very hard time finding them.

I'm getting to the opinion that perhaps the entire anti-malware community should probably have a look at this.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote] I see you say it would be interesting to see 'someone' create a site and you dont actually want to take that risk yourself.[/quote]

A related suggestion for you, Ash1ey. As you seem quite dissatisfied with your reception here, perhaps you'd be willing to add a support forum or commented blog, or both, to YOUR website. It can't be too difficult for a man of your means, and the tremendous volume of positive feedback you're certain to enjoy would be priceless for your public relations.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And to be honest i'm even thinking of having some programmers write me some spyware. Yep, actual spyware to infect ppls machines. Why? Cus you all suck. I'm trying to work with you but you couldnt give a sh1t. So why try and work with the anti-spyware community when there only against you? You guys are against me so much that i'm going to start distributing spyware myself, its not hard. UNDETECTABLE stuff too Wink To be honest theres probably more money in this then the actual spyware removal.


There's even more money in it (you having your programmers write "undetectable" spyware) for the UK Government.

The Computer Misuse Act, 1990

Since you have publicly announced your intent to "start distributing spyware myself" perhaps you should get a legal opinion on this activity while you are pursuing frivolous legal action against anyone here at Spyware Warrior.
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Harry Letterman:
Well found!
Excellent!

Now, if the Brits had won the war of Independence, perhaps things would be somewhat different

We 'do' have a way with words, after all Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Harry Letterman wrote:
It would be interesting to see someone create a web page with the name along the lines of "PrivacyTools2004-is-scumware" to counter his threats of infecting as many innocent eople as he can pathetically manage.


Please go ahead and try it. I see you say it would be interesting to see 'someone' create a site and you dont actually want to take that risk yourself. Also, I never did say I would distribute spyware with my spyware removal tool.


The difference between myself and you, sir, is that I am not stupid enough to make this type of statement in a Public Forum:

ash1ey wrote:
And to be honest i'm even thinking of having some programmers write me some spyware. Yep, actual spyware to infect ppls machines. Why? Cus you all suck. I'm trying to work with you but you couldnt give a sh1t. So why try and work with the anti-spyware community when there only against you? You guys are against me so much that i'm going to start distributing spyware myself, its not hard. UNDETECTABLE stuff too To be honest theres probably more money in this then the actual spyware removal.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone see at download.com, the comment by 'sv', that said:

'I have been trying it since last 203 days and it has beejn totally amazing'

I didn't see this listed on BetaNews.com. Where was it for 203 days?

This was posted on download.com on July 20,2004. I didn't see it on snapfiles.com, or on majorgeeks.com. It is in tucows.com.

Such 'glowing reviews' and only one negative post? Hmmm.

Methinks those rave reviews were written by one person.

Ashley says, "As i explained in my post, I have stopped selling the software and instead of re-directing my traffic to an another application i would direct it all to your forum until my new software is ready to sell. Doesnt appear to be appreciated so i'll get it changed a.s.a.p "

Thats funny, because it's still available for download and to really mess peoples computers up.

I have the snapshot on my desktop of the file download. (Run, Save, Cancel). Yes I've got XP.

If you click on the program Author, you get this page.

http://www2.palsol.com

He (or whoever wrote this up) says on that page:

It is very likely your computer is infected with Spyware that normal Antivirus programs cannot detect.

Oh yeah? Well if adawareSE, spybot s&d, spyware blaster, spywareguard, spysweeper, hijackthis,and cwshredder can't take care of any spyware problems I would have, I WOULD have a REAL problem.

What are you my mom now? I see no bad behaviour here.

Only by you, Ashley.

Your parents are so proud of you? What is this language then?

'stfu, and WTF'.

You sure say WTF an awful lot. I don't imagine your parents are proud of your language?

Oh I am glad you removed that tracking cookie you had on your site Ashley. Good job. Now you're getting the hang of it. I scanned with adawareSE BEFORE i went to your page, and then scanned after. The ole' tracking cookie trick popped up.

Well my friend Symantec are in it in for the money and dam they have a few good apps

They don't show FP's in their software. Their apps are tried and true.

And to be honest i'm even thinking of having some programmers write me some spyware. Yep, actual spyware to infect ppls machines. Why? Cus you all suck.... You guys are against me so much that i'm going to start distributing spyware myself, its not hard. UNDETECTABLE stuff too

Again, you said your parents are proud of you? Bet they don't know all about this, right?

And YES if I still get treated like your enemy in all this then YES I will look at distributing some spyware (and then you can really call me your enemy and then you wont have to give me a chance

You think you really have a chance on infecting peoples computers who read these forums, and fight every day to keep this crap off their machines, and people who are infected.? These people know something is wrong, and come to forums like this for help.
Then you come along, with an app that shows FPs. If someone was naive or (dumb) enough to delete everything that you suggested, they could really mess their registry up. Only a full reinstall would help.

For example, I have adawareSE, Spybot S & D, spywareblaster,spywareguard,Hijackthis, and CWShredder on my comp. I also use SpySweeper. I keep my AV and all my other software up to date.
Personally, you really wouldn't have a chance to infect me. I watch what I download, Just because I'm not that tech savvy,(I'm learning), doesn't make me naive.

HAHAHAHA. Man you just cant read can you? Yes I am fully aware of my future actions and what i am doing with this venture, but if you were able to read properly you will understand that my software wont get sold until it stops producing F/P's

Ok, so why then is it listed in download.com, and tucows.com?


The longer spywarewarrior and its member continue to make false claims against me and my software the more I will pay my legal guy to find something for me to prosecute you and bring you guys down.

False claims? You're the one with false claims now. Your legal guy,? Who is it? Bruce Cutler? LOL

Stated you will deliberately add spyware to your program
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You threaten the posters in this forum with legal action, when it should be us filing a class action lawsuit against you.

And these attys in this so called 'case', when they find out the details and check this forum out, they'll either laugh you out of their office(or off the phone, whatever) or tell you that you're crazy.

You put this software out there for the 'unsuspecting public'. Are you willing to pay to fix their computers also? Put your money where your mouth is Ashley.

I'm a newbie to this forum. Does that mean I'm going to get sued too? Funny, that's never happened to me before. Somehow I have the feeling it won't be happening now either. Sorry Ashley, to break your bubble. Like we say here in the states, it's time for you to pack up your tent and go home.

Bye.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, I never did say I would distribute spyware with my spyware removal tool.


So, who cares. You still wrote the following:

ash1ey wrote:
And to be honest i'm even thinking of having some programmers write me some spyware. Yep, actual spyware to infect ppls machines. Why? Cus you all suck. I'm trying to work with you but you couldnt give a sh1t. So why try and work with the anti-spyware community when there only against you? You guys are against me so much that i'm going to start distributing spyware myself, its not hard. UNDETECTABLE stuff too To be honest theres probably more money in this then the actual spyware removal.


Just because your "undetectable spyware" may not be bundled with your spyware removal tool you are already publicly admitting, as CEO of a company, your intent to direct your employers, or subcontractors, to create and distribute spyware with the intent of maliciously infecting innocent user's systems. You will still be held legally responsible. Ask your lawyers about this while you're at it.
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