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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:31 pm    Post subject: Spywaredefense.com? Reply with quote

Just found this; this is not on the "rogue" list. Anyone verified this piece yet? They have their own trial at http://www.spywaredefense.com/scan/
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, jeez... hello... is there anybody out there? Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, jeez... hello... is there anybody out there? Confused


Nope. Nobody out here.

Folks around here generally have plenty to do.

You only posted less than 24 hrs ago.

If you're in a hurry to talk about it, why don't you try digging up all the info about them and make a personal eval of the product yourself.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TNT-6 wrote:
Well, jeez... hello... is there anybody out there? Confused


Nope. Nobody out here.

Folks around here generally have plenty to do.

You only posted less than 24 hrs ago.

If you're in a hurry to talk about it, why don't you try digging up all the info about them and make a personal eval of the product yourself.


Since you have plenty to do, next time save yourself the trouble of posting this kind of answer. Have a nice day.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As best I remember, Eric Howes did test this but did not put it on the rogues page. That's all I know, however.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started looking at this this morning didn't really see anything to impress me. I could never get the online free scan to work even with very relaxed ActivX settings so decided to download it and try it. Two downloads later I had two zero-byte .exe files. If they offered a free trial I would have downloaded that but they don't. If you want to try you have to buy and that is $29.95 with a 15 day money back guarantee. No thanks.

Something else came up more important so I never did get around to chasing down all the whois info for the domains or Googling both product and company names. I did learn that the host server is in the USA while the nameservers are in Hong Kong.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

suzi wrote:
As best I remember, Eric Howes did test this but did not put it on the rogues page. That's all I know, however.

Thank you.

I saw there is no mention of it on the page (not even in the "Not On the List" section). And yes, I would test it myself, but at the most I can test it only for false positives, as right now I do not have a Windows test machine avaliable to be infected and verify this program's detection rate (nor I do own VMWare).

Anyway, should I contact Eric Howes about this?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I started looking at this this morning didn't really see anything to impress me. I could never get the online free scan to work even with very relaxed ActivX settings so decided to download it and try it. Two downloads later I had two zero-byte .exe files. If they offered a free trial I would have downloaded that but they don't. If you want to try you have to buy and that is $29.95 with a 15 day money back guarantee. No thanks.


Uhm... two zero bytes "exe" files meaning that you couldn't get to download the installation software? I just tried... it's a 1.67 Mb SpywareDefenseScanner.exe and I downloaded it without any problem from this link http://www.spywaredefense.com/scan/?scanner=download
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this now makes 3. I mean, that it goes through the motions of downloading and leaves a file by that name on the system which is totally empty. I may try on another system tomorrow but don't really see too much point.

If you look at their website it is short on any kind of detail about the product and nothing really about the company although the Affiliate tab is certainly prominent.

Here is the whois on the domain:
Quote:
Domain spywaredefense.com:
Ashantiplc Limited
Room 1204, 12/F, Shanghai Ind. Investment Building
Hong Kong, HK 00000 HK

Administrative contact:
Technical contact:
Billing contact:
Ashantiplc Limited
Domain Administrator
********@ashantiplc.com
Room 1204, 12/F, Shanghai Ind. Investment Building
Hong Kong, HK 00000 HK
Phone: +852.28511478
Fax:

Record dates:
Record created on: 2004-01-05 22:00:31 PDT (0)
Record modified on: 2004-12-12 19:57:46 PDT (0)
Record expires on: 2006-01-05 PDT (0)

Nameservers:
ns.ashantiplc.com:
64.246.44.151
ns2.ashantiplc.com:
64.246.44.92


The only thing that I could come up with on Google were a page and a half of vendor descriptions and press releases.

Why not go ahead and test it for FPs? If you get a bunch then you would know.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldfrog wrote:
And this now makes 3. I mean, that it goes through the motions of downloading and leaves a file by that name on the system which is totally empty.


I checked. For some reason the download link does not work with IE. Rolling Eyes
It does work in Firefox, or Opera, or Lynx.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried once in IE and twice in Firefox and got the same result each time. Did you by any chance try doing the scan directly from the site? That is an ActivX app so would have to be done from either IE of from FF using an ActivX plugin.

Also curious, you seem to be really interested in this. Is that simple curiousity or are you really thinking about buying it?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I tried once in IE and twice in Firefox and got the same result each time. Did you by any chance try doing the scan directly from the site? That is an ActivX app so would have to be done from either IE of from FF using an ActivX plugin.

Also curious, you seem to be really interested in this. Is that simple curiousity or are you really thinking about buying it?


NO, it's not an ActiveX, it's an .exe file and I can download it without problems.

I have not tried the ActiveX version but it prompts for the dowload as well... so either your computer is messed up for good or something blocks you from downloading at some other level. So you'd better find out what's wrong with your computer first. Sorry if I sound harsh, but that's how it is.

As for being interested, no, I am not interested in buying it OR even trying it for that matter. I am fairly well protected, thanks. I thought I might find some other people trying to spot untrustworthy "security" software on these boards. Alas, I was wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So you'd better find out what's wrong with your computer first. Sorry if I sound harsh, but that's how it is.

Since this is the only thing that I have not been able to download I am really not too worried about it.

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I thought I might find some other people trying to spot untrustworthy "security" software on these boards. Alas, I was wrong.

Hmm. Not real sure what you were wanting us to do. Based on what I found and reported earlier I would not recommend it to others or trust it myself. Without actually testing it I couldn't state flat out that it is a scam or rogue app either. The download, btw, would not be enough to perform a definitive test with anyway. About all it would be good for is a quick opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TNT-6:

I took a preliminary look at this program not too long ago. Based on new data that a user submitted, I will be re-testing this program in the next few days.

Best,

Eric L. Howes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:59 am    Post subject: I know...I'm new! Reply with quote

I know, I'm one of the "newer" guys around here and probably should keep my trap shut. But...as I get older, I seem to be losing that ability (to much drinking I suspect).

TNT,

You seem knowledgable and pretty energetic/interested in security. Both of these are good things and, quite frankly, things that the internet needs more of at this point in time.

However, being overly aggresive to get your point across turns many people off to what you have to say. Understand that very very few of us have the time to dedicate to continously read, understand, and test out new finds. These are things done at a "as soon as I have some time".

For me? That means after work, friends, and family I sit down to look at and test applications. Time that it translates to monthly (not including posting general support), maybe five hours.

What I'm saying is...give people time and don't assume what people's intentions are. Just relax and people will respond as able and offer advice/support.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.voiceofthepublic.com/SDS/SDS.html
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikey wrote:
http://www.voiceofthepublic.com/SDS/SDS.html


Ouch... I'm convinced if that data is legit: On the list with this one.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A google for ASHANTIPLC LTD finds many sites that appear less than worthy.

The quality and presentation of this product reminds me of our friend Ash1ey. Tho the files are definitely not the same this time.

Anyone got a handle on this ASHANTIPLC LTD?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A google for ASHANTIPLC LTD finds many sites that appear less than worthy.


Yeah, I see what you mean. It looks like they own other domains -- I found in Google search hits:

http://www.whois.sc/fabulous.com shows different owner

Advanced View of 64.15.205.166

11 domains found on 64.15.205.166
Showing all 11.

Website
www. Domainintellect.com
www. Domainintellect.net
www. Domainintellect.org
www. Fabulous.com
www. Fabulous.info
www. Fabulousdomain.com
www. Fabulousdomains.com
www. Fabulousdomains.net
www. Fabulousdomainsale.com
www. Fabulousdomainsales.com
www. Simplecuisine.com

http://www.whois.sc/skywork.com
Same whois info as spywaredefense.com but different IP address:

Advanced View of 66.98.194.6

10 domains found on 66.98.194.6
Showing all 10.

Website
www. Bahartex.com
www. Celestuff.com
www. Cellphoneaccessories.com
www. Connaughtconsulting.com
www. Connaughttrading.com
www. Eskaycee.com
www. Gedumsys.org
www. Skscharities.com
www. Sonacons.org
www. Spywaredefense.com

Those sites may not be related at all, though.

They own this one apparently:
http://www.internic.ca/whois.asp?domain=loancredit.com&wserver=whois.internic.ca

http://www.whois.sc/loancredit.com

Their name shows up in a link on a porn page in Google's cache but the page is now blank.
link goes here:
http://www. mugshots.com/Celebrity/Anna_Nicole_Smith.htm

http://www.whois.sc/beachcam.com

http://www.whois.sc/newsimages.com

Advanced View of 66.98.160.97

2 domains found on 66.98.160.97
Showing all 2.

Website
www. Mugshots.com
www. Newsimages.com

There's plenty of stuff there that looks to be somewhat sleazy.

Edit to add: I found another one:

http://www.whois.sc/ashanti.com
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think the Google results are shady, try a Yahoo search on them once. They are linked to so many dubious sites I lost count after page 8 in the results.

Sites like sexissues.com (an adult site) come up in relation to them. This may just be keyword stuffing by said adult sites however. Then again, I used the exact phrase "Ashantiplc Ltd." so who knows.

I know for certain many antispyware sites of questionable nature appear in the search results of Yahoo and other search engines when the term "Ashantiplc Ltd." is used.

I would never use them personally because their privacy policy and license agreement are sub-par to be polite.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All:

I finally got around to testing version 1.4, which is different from the version 1.0 that I originally tested. Based on the scan results, Spyware Defense has been added to the Rogue/Suspect page.

Also added is WinAntiSpyware 2005, from the same folks who brought you WinFixer and WinAntivirus 2005.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: I know...I'm new! Reply with quote

aquias wrote:
I know, I'm one of the "newer" guys around here and probably should keep my trap shut. But...as I get older, I seem to be losing that ability (to much drinking I suspect).


After rereading that, I felt like a comment;

Well, I don't drink much anymore(liver) but I can definitely relate to what you said. There was actually a time when I had some tact...long ago. Smile



Thx for looking at it, Eric.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They own sexissues.com, too:

http://www.whois.sc/sexissues.com
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:32 pm    Post subject: Unfair. Reply with quote

eburger68 wrote:
Hi All:

I finally got around to testing version 1.4, which is different from the version 1.0 that I originally tested. Based on the scan results, Spyware Defense has been added to the Rogue/Suspect page.

Also added is WinAntiSpyware 2005, from the same folks who brought you WinFixer and WinAntivirus 2005.

Best,

Eric L. Howes


Hi,

Let me introduce myself. I'm James. I'm U.S. representative for Spyware Defense from Ashantiplc Ltd.

We have been working hard for over a year to develop SpywareDefense application. The insinuation that it is a rouge software is not fair.

We are trying our best to write good software, this kind of chat doesn't do any good.

I will give you the option to try out our full version of the software. Just email[info at spywaredefense dot com] or PM me.

We asked NetworkWorld.com to test our software as well, Look at the results here:

http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2005/091205-spyware-test.html

We didn't beat the competetion this time, but our next version will compete more effectively.

Hope you will take my message into consideration in your future testing.

Peter.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James:

Thanks for posting here. The biggest problem that we encountered with your company's product was ridiculous false positives, some of which you can see on in the screenshots on this page:

http://www.spywarewarrior.com/orphans_outcasts.htm

The most likely cause of those kinds of false positives is a poor scan/detection scheme possibly combined with suspect data. Indeed, the NetworkWorld review seems to point in this direction ( http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2005/091205-spyware-test.html?page=2 ):

Quote:
SpywareDefense identifies spyware by file name, directory path or wild-card filename mask.


That kind of detection scheme is guaranteed to produce loads of false positives.

When you have a significantly overhauled new version of the application, we would be happy to test it.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eburger68 wrote:
James:

Thanks for posting here. The biggest problem that we encountered with your company's product was ridiculous false positives, some of which you can see on in the screenshots on this page:

http://www.spywarewarrior.com/orphans_outcasts.htm

The most likely cause of those kinds of false positives is a poor scan/detection scheme possibly combined with suspect data. Indeed, the NetworkWorld review seems to point in this direction ( http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2005/091205-spyware-test.html?page=2 ):

Quote:
SpywareDefense identifies spyware by file name, directory path or wild-card filename mask.


That kind of detection scheme is guaranteed to produce loads of false positives.

When you have a significantly overhauled new version of the application, we would be happy to test it.

Regards,

Eric L. Howes


Hi Eric,

Yes, we got good feed back from the Network World testing. We are currently working to improve the checking methodology. I will post a message here once we have the new version.

Appreciate your time and effort.
James.
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