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Flyguy_1 Newbie
Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Last Visit: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 9
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Scaramouche Malware Expert
Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Last Visit: 03 May 2006 Posts: 141 Location: Manila, Philippines
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:35 am Post subject: |
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ZeroSpyware was reviewed and did quite well too. I think it ended up tied for third with MSAS.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1829290,00.asp
Even though I don't work there anymore it feels like vindication. I wonder if this will influence Ad-Aware into not detecting ZeroSpyware as a "possible browser hijack attempt" now that they've scored higher in a PC Magazine review. _________________ ---
My comments represent my own opinions and research. |
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physics223 Junior Member
Joined: 24 May 2005 Last Visit: 15 May 2010 Posts: 39
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: |
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I wonder why it isn't Spybot - S&D. Is something wrong?!?
In Eric L. Howes's test, Spybot - S&D performed very well. Spyware Doctor, in my opinion is bleh...
I wonder why PC Mag gave high scores.
Someone please explain. I personally think Ad-aware is better than Spyware Doctor. |
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mookie-wak Newbie

Joined: 10 May 2005 Last Visit: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Oddly enough PC WORLD gave Spyware Doctor 3.2 got only a "respectable" nod. The conclusion was this:
Subsequent scans with Spyware Doctor proved less troublesome, although we disliked the app's repeated attempts to access the Internet. PC Tools says the software is performing a "license code validity check" to monitor the active copies of the software.
And that is just one more reason why we recommend that you stick with either Microsoft's AntiSpyware or Sunbelt Software's Counterspy over Spyware Doctor. Though the application shows real potential, right now it isn't in the same league as these two less-expensive competitors. |
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Dogteams1 Newbie
Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Last Visit: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 6 Location: lafayette ind.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I hate to say i told you so but i knew In the End (Spyware Doctor)
will win .I don't think most of you know much about pc-tools.
they been around a long time .not just a few years like the,
rest of software your raving about.
The last mag(Pc mag give it 5 stars not pc world.
I said this in the sunbelt foum that the Doctor is getting better,
fast.Well he's not only better he is now tough.
They also as of this week added new defentions for post ,
files plus keyloggers ect and the def's are still coming,
and about the price if you turn in a coupon you get $10 off.
I run Counterspy plus tried its brother brother as of now i
think (Sd) beats them both hands down.tryed spy-sweeper no .
contest any more against (Spyware Doctor).
Really about (High-jack this) I checked it a longggg time ago,
Idon'nt need to trouble shoot a PC on- or off-line with-it
there are good programs out there that do a better job.
That i would recomend to a novice.
I do think this page is a great page for info.I mean the main page,
not the forum.
I am a tech and have been since the 80s.
This Page plus the form are so out-dated i can't beleive it.
2004 is gone its now 2005 get with program guys.
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Dogteams1 Newbie
Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Last Visit: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 6 Location: lafayette ind.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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About Ad-aware by lava-soft they droped some of thier defs
because microsoft wanted them to ignore some-things
that microsoft did'nt want them to remove.
Before long Microsoft will have thier hands in lava-soft.
Mark=>Dogteams1 |
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fcukdat Warrior Addict

Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Last Visit: 08 Apr 2009 Posts: 757 Location: Yeovil,England.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:30 am Post subject: |
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About Ad-aware by lava-soft they droped some of thier defs
because microsoft wanted them to ignore some-things
that microsoft did'nt want them to remove.
Before long Microsoft will have thier hands in lava-soft.
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Thats one hell of a statement to make,Dose this hold any truth ?
E.g what detections have LS dropped to appease M$ and when ?
Sorry but unless you can provide evidence i highly recomend that people take this with a pinch of salt.
Circa F.U.D
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Sunbelt has a forum,Where ??
With reference to SpywareDoctor,yes it is improving and is one of the better bot killers about.
But just because one magazine ranks it top of the pile dose not automatically mean its top of the class.
When are people going to learn that most magazines/websites have their own agenda's and more often then not their recommendations are impartial/biased
Here's another set of reviews-
http://www.adwarereport.com/mt/archives/000004.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=adware%20report
Oh wow Alluria sywareware eliminator comes top of the class
http://windowssecrets.com/comp/050127/
*scroll down to their testing results
Oh My spyware doctor is nowhere in site
I can dig up more reviews/tests by sites/mags but my point is proven so no need.
Truly independent testing comes along rarely
On closing Dogteams1,Do you know why PCtools do not detect
"Hotbar" products ? _________________ Malware hunter....Got Bot ?
MIRT Handler >>>
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mikey Malware Expert

Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Last Visit: 19 Jun 2013 Posts: 1067 Location: CenTex
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Dogteams1 wrote: |
I don't think most of you know much about pc-tools.
they been around a long time .not just a few years like the,
rest of software your raving about. |
FYI
SpywareDoctor was first introduced just last year. It did not do well then and as of my last look at it, it still had F/Ps galore and very little in the way of proactive features.
Ref; http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=4805
By comparison to your false statement;
Adaware was first released to the general public in late 1999.
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SSD was first released in late 2001.
BTW I can make a so called 'test' say anything I want by simply limiting the sampling. That is exactly what PCMag did. There has NEVER been a proper benchmarking for tools of this type done by anyone.
Personally, I have no use for any bot killer. Malware scanning has been an obsolete technology for some time now and IMO their time of use globally is waning.
IMO Only the novice user still depends on them. For more comment and my reasoning, please read; http://carmainc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1631 |
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Dogteams1 Newbie
Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Last Visit: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 6 Location: lafayette ind.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:53 am Post subject: |
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http://beta.sunbelt-software.com/
Take this with a grain of salt heres the url for the forum i use
for for error reporting on counterspy beta 1.5
As far as lava-soft there was a rumor about them and claria or
what-ever.(Not worth my time getting into it.
I Do'nt belive everything i read in mags.
I do test all the spyware programs plus other programs but,
yea i guess i could report thier great.
(Not worth it by telling obout them in these forums.)
And yes i know when spyware Doctor came out.
I can say this and its a fact i started on a 1200 baud rate modem,
plus tested alot of software from microsoft the first dos versions,
first Windows versions.
And also tested win95 beta before it was win95.
been doing this for years plus working on computers.
At my computer shop at home.
The point i was trying to make was about pc-tools they had ,
some good software years ago.
Keep, Learning guys i already have my a1 =L
Trial and error is the best way to learn.
About spyware this is hobby for me when i'm not working on,
other peoples computers.
And yes i know about the bots.
Don't you think the novice's need something besides high-jack this.
Mark->Dogteams1
P:S I'm looking forward in Testing (Longhorn)
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Oldfrog Site Admin

Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Last Visit: 09 Feb 2013 Posts: 1161 Location: Hewitt, TX
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Dogteams1, I suppose that we should be grateful for the fact that you have graced us with your presence here. Still, a lot of what you post seems to be either very vague or out and out wrong.
You aren't the only one that started out a long time ago. My first modem was a Livermore 300baud acoustic (I still have it and it still works) and my first beta was DOS 1.85 (still have the 5 1/4" floppy).
I can only speak for myself, of course, but if I don't think that a forum has merit I don't waste time reading it or posting to it. If I do post in one I try to ensure that what I post is as accurate and honest as it can possibly be and not something that is "Not worth my time getting into it".
If we are worth your time then why not try posting something useful? If we aren't, then why are you here? |
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Nick Site Admin

Joined: 27 Feb 2004 Last Visit: 28 Aug 2012 Posts: 3913 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Dogteams1 wrote: |
| As far as lava-soft there was a rumor about them |
Hmmm, good to see you use reliable and verifiable means to make the statements you have posted.
As far as the Sunbelt forum, only people who are beta testers can read anything except on how to become one, so quoting that forum means 99% or more of the people reading this can't see what you are talking about. _________________ Nick's Security Ticker
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mikey Malware Expert

Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Last Visit: 19 Jun 2013 Posts: 1067 Location: CenTex
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| And yes i know when spyware Doctor came out. |
Then why did you try to pass SD off as an established product with legit credentials?
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| I can say this and its a fact i started on a 1200 baud rate modem, ... |
Who cares? I know I don't. Most here were not born yesterday.
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| Trial and error is the best way to learn. |
Perhaps, if you are without a clue. My own admin responsibilities to my clients do not allow for this type of practice.
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About spyware this is hobby for me when i'm not working on,
other peoples computers. |
I think you'll find that most associated with SW are professionals with a bit more interests at stake than a hobby. Perhaps you might want to read more and ask questions more rather than voice any more untruths.
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| And yes i know about the bots. |
What bots and what do you know...was that another meaningless comment?
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| Don't you think the novice's need something besides high-jack this. |
Was that directed to me? If so, then you either didn't read what I said or you again made unfounded assumptions. HJT is just another reactionary tool without any proactive protections to speak of at all. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with my comments.
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Hey OldFrog, nicely said. I wasn't even going to respond to this nonsense again untill I saw you and Nick in.  |
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fcukdat Warrior Addict

Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Last Visit: 08 Apr 2009 Posts: 757 Location: Yeovil,England.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| Don't you think the novice's need something besides high-jack this. |
Take a look around virtually all malware removal forums.What do you see being utilised ?
HJT is a diagnostic/removal tool utilised under the guidance of experts to instruct novice's on how to clean their PC's
Under no circumstance do they advise a novice to use it without instruction
They do not reccomend HJT to novices as a tool they can use with out assistance because of its capacity to do more harm than good if not fully understood.
But being an expert you would already know most of this  _________________ Malware hunter....Got Bot ?
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BlackHawk Junior Member
Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Last Visit: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 17
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:34 am Post subject: |
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This thread echos my feelings on SpywareDoctor!
I used Spyware Doctor about a year or so ago and I was really disappointed in it. It produced several false positives at the time. It was recently suggested that I try it again because since I last used it, it has improved. Well I download the latest version from...
http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/
and I was again very disappointed in it. Nothing had changed.... It still had so many false positives... 21 to be exact. I think this is a program that should be avoided.
I did a scan with it and it's telling me I have Bargain Buddy, ISTbar, MediaMotor, Trojan.Downloader.Pacimedia, VX2.Look2Me and YourSiteBar among many other things. I have Kaspersky antivirus, Dr. Web antivirus, Webroot SpySweeper, Lavasoft Adaware, SpyBot Search & Destroy, CWShredder, Bazooka, eTrust PestPatrol, Microsoft AntiSpyware, FSecure Blacklight BETA, HighJackThis and WinPatrol and not one of them finds a shred of anything bad on my computer.
Granted I understand completely that you can't assume that just because other programs didn't find anything that your system is clean. BUT, don't you think it's odd that 12 different very reputable programs say my computer is 100% completely clean and Spyware Doctor says there are 21 instances of malware on my computer? Don't you think if any of the 21 truly existed that the other 12 programs would find at least 1 out of the 21?
In my search for other opinions on SpywareDoctor I found this...
"This program BLOWS spysweeper away. It picked up tons of stuff that spysweeper didnt!"
"That's because SpywareDoctor has a reputation for false positives. It doesn't use a very well updated database and actually depends more on heuristics for detection. Using heuristics means that it looks for resemblances to spyware activity and only serves as a guide. Spyware programs that use this method of
detection have actually been known to completely ruin a windows registry. I'd recommend that you stick with the better known antispyware utilities."
That 2nd paragraph echos my feelings. In fact, if you ask me, I think this thing should be put on the rogue anti-spyware products list. I had to vent. Thank you.  |
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paperghost Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:20 am Post subject: |
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/ jedi
This is not the thread I'm looking for...
// jedi |
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