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New Raider
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 Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:19 pm Post subject: Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites |
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I noticed the site had a link to an unofficial legal source, but there is little or no mention of the downloader, just the Webmaster.
My question is if the download has and/or uses an illegal script (video feed in this case) which is linked to an exploit in their database, is the user doing anything illegal since it was not made by him?
I posed this question to a legal group, but I will get no response for a few weeks or even months. |
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New Raider
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| When I say "IT" I mean an application that runs the script, not that I duplicated any script. |
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suzi
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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NewRaider,
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I noticed the site had a link to an unofficial legal source, but there is little or no mention of the downloader, just the Webmaster.
My question is if the download has and/or uses an illegal script (video feed in this case) which is linked to an exploit in their database, is the user doing anything illegal since it was not made by him? |
I'm the webmaster and owner of this site. I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about in those two posts.
What unofficial legal source are you referring to?
What downloader are you referring to? There are no "downloads" or "downloaders" on the Rogue Anti-Spyware page.
Video feed??? There are no video feeds on this entire site.
An expoit in whose database?? Again, you make no sense. You are using pronouns which don't mean anything. Maybe you know what you mean, but I highly doubt if anyone else does.
Unless you can explain your meaning in a clear fashion, there is no way to answer you.
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webworm98
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Moore wrote: |
| There may be a good reason to introduce licences for new internet users. |
Aclu would never let the happen. I would be against this. So, would isp's.
Have you seen some people drive today that have a drivers license?
My cousin is 38 and emails me in all caps.
I never had a virus tell I got xp sp1. That should tell you that Microsoft people opened up to many ports and still does even with xp sp2. I get a lot of incoming connection request. I done all the protection tips.
I use outpost 1.0 firewall. I had to change it to block most mode. If I didn’t accept that incoming connection request it blocks my internet access. They need to work on svchost.exe and have a custom port control. I hope Microsoft doese this with Loghorn. |
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New Raider
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: |
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NewRaider,
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I noticed the site had a link to an unofficial legal source, but there is little or no mention of the downloader, just the Webmaster.
My question is if the download has and/or uses an illegal script (video feed in this case) which is linked to an exploit in their database, is the user doing anything illegal since it was not made by him? |
I'm the webmaster and owner of this site. I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about in those two posts.
What unofficial legal source are you referring to?
What downloader are you referring to? There are no "downloads" or "downloaders" on the Rogue Anti-Spyware page.
Video feed??? There are no video feeds on this entire site.
An expoit in whose database?? Again, you make no sense. You are using pronouns which don't mean anything. Maybe you know what you mean, but I highly doubt if anyone else does.
Unless you can explain your meaning in a clear fashion, there is no way to answer you. |
I didn't want to get in trouble.
The downloader is me, and the download in question has nothing to do with Spyware Warrior or anything related.
The site the TOS is on and it's database, shall remain nameless as well as the application and where to get it.
It's a subscription site, and I'm getting the video for free, but they could actually use that to help them.
There are actually two scripts in the ap.
1: The current program in its entirety.
2: A 3 year archive in whole and in sections.
They used to have a free uncensored (nudity not spam) sample clip, but because of the FCC "decency" crack down, it's a much smaller clip that doesn't let the girls show anything.
A teaser is ok for a few weeks, but not a few months (since 4/1/2004).
I thought what they could do is actually promote the use of the free tool for the archives only, with an 8 - 10 month waiting period for the current (PPV TV) show.
The hype over this show has died down since last year, and even Howard Stern couldn't save it, but this could get more Internet viewers interested.
I would have E-mailed them this had it not been for privacy issues. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:22 am Post subject: |
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/ Jedi
This is not the thread I was looking for <waves hand in mystical fashion>
/ End Jedi |
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suzi
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The downloader is me, and the download in question has nothing to do with Spyware Warrior or anything related.
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Uhhhh.... so why the subject for the thread??
Again, you are talking nonsense. 
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New Raider
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:17 am Post subject: |
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The downloader is me, and the download in question has nothing to do with Spyware Warrior or anything related.
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Uhhhh.... so why the subject for the thread??
Again, you are talking nonsense. |
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I think New Raider is asking a question about a site that he/she does not want to spread further rumor about and thus keeps it nameless intentionally. Therefore New Raider restates the Talk About It forum policy for talking about anything as an argument as to why the question is seemingly vague and therefore, should not be condemned so horribly by so many here because of a legal communication issue by which he/she is trying to comply.
This makes the post a bit more cryptic and hard to understand, yes. But I think one could determine the nature of the question by a little interpolation.
I don't what has gotten into many here lately, perhaps impatience, laziness, general likeness to berating people but for me it is becoming intolerable.
Standing for free speech, freedom of spys, fraud, and volunteering to do the right thing is getting some serious disrespect. I thought one of the policies here was to not use harsh language. Further, users of the forum are not created equally and should not be made to stand up to some vague test of relative proper grammer and general english skill.
Are you here to help people or not?
Everyone here should be reading this and then take a step back to determine how this type of passing judgement is useful for the forums future.
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New Raider
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Further, users of the forum are not treated equally and should not be made to stand up to some vague test of relative proper grammer and general english skill. |
Saying "not created equal" sounds like you actually believe that is true.
Saying "not treated equally" is probably what you meant.
And it's not a rumor, but you are essentially correct.
The TOU says many iron clad things so I don't wanna take any chances.
I am a guy.
I'll change my profile.
And yes, I thought suzi was out of line as well.
I could very well be in hot water with the law if they don't interpret what I did the way I did, and I don't expect to be treated like garbage.
In fact I thought you guys would jump at the chance to try to help me, or at least refer me to forums that can. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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there's being cryptic and there's being obscure to the point of not actually knowing what on earth a thread is about. Sorry to say, I didn't know what this was on about first time round and I'm only a little bit clearer on it now. If there was some real worry about the potential legalities of naming / shaming sites then the initial post shouldn't have been made in the first place.
After all, without naming the site and the problem in question, how much further can this thread go? Nowhere.
After all, its not defamation when your statements are true.
Either way, the bottom line is you can't have a discussion on a particular topic when then topic is buried under lots of vague references to nothing much in particular. It also didn't help that the initial post made it look like the site in question was actually this one. However you look at it, this thread did not make sense. The title itself doesn't actually help very much, either. |
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New Raider
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites |
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| I noticed the site had a link to an unofficial legal source, |
The title shows you which site has the ALMOST legal source.
The TOU of my site says I am not allowed to discuss or direct to where the program is located, and giving you the name of the program, which has the same name as the Website, would be an easy way to find it.
I recently looked up copyright laws concerning p2p filesharing, and a judge claimed it was perfectly legal, implying it for the Webmasters and not the downloaders.
According to Canadian law this must change.
The result will be made public Sping 2005, but I don't think this can be considered file sharing, and in light of both Bush and Kerry being against legal file sharing, it may change after the November elections. |
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This thread make no sense to me at all. If you want help. You got to at least name the website. If it has some bad words in the web page. Just put X in that place. If your are in the U.S. even if you are not. We have Freedom of speech here.
I do remember reading about a spyware company sending a complaint about it products being spyware. I am not sure if it is this board or another message board. So far nothing happened, they just ignored the emails from the Message Board Administrator.
I am sure if Suzi, thought it would violate the posting policy, She or another person would immediately delete it as soon as she or he is on line. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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nxxednxxs.com (must be 18 to enter)
No, there are no bad words, but seeing the pirated program has the same name, I would definitely break the TOU if I told you, however if you figure it out without my help, I'm off the hook.
The 18 warning is a laugh since both the male and female free shows have been censored.
If you do figure it out, please PM me instead of posting here. |
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By the way, I have to catch up.
This is the fourth day I've missed the show already.
There are 2 girls there I would've missed without the free show.
One has incredible legs wearing stockings all the time, and when she crosses her legs I just melt!
The other has 2 personalities I just adore.
One is in a ponytail and very animated and bubbly, and the other is without the ponytail, very laid back and casual, speaking with a very sexy foreign (origin unknown) accent.
YUM! 
Actually there is another, but I think undressing is better than instant nudity.
Sorry if this post bothers anyone.
Tell me and I will remove it when I have a chance. |
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Either way, the bottom line is you can't have a discussion on a particular topic when then topic is buried under lots of vague references to nothing much in particular. It also didn't help that the initial post made it look like the site in question was actually this one. However you look at it, this thread did not make sense. The title itself doesn't actually help very much, either.
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Exactly my point. The title of the thread, Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products and Sites, has no relationship that I can see to any of the posts here. And there does not seem to be a point to this thread either.
In fact, I'm going to lock it now. If someone wants to talk about p2p, file sharing, entertainment sites, movies, videos or whatever, there are forums on the net for those subjects. This forum is meant to be primarily dedicated to fighting spyware, malware and troubleshooting computer problems.
Please read this thread for reference.
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=2918
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| I don't what has gotten into many here lately, perhaps impatience, laziness, general likeness to berating people but for me it is becoming intolerable. |
The forum is about communicating with others. When someone posts in a manner that make it difficult for anyone to understand, it does become somewhat frustrating. We are here to help people, but we need to be able to understand the question or problem in order to help. The person asking for help needs to do their part to make their needs clear. We are not mind readers here. 
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