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TATTOOTEDDY
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: anti keyloggers Reply with quote

i'm sorta new at this, so forgive any dumb questions.does a good firewall,anti-spyware and anti-virus program protect against key-logging,or is key logging a seperate issue? if you click on a dubious website,have you effectively allowed a keylogging program go to work? how does one disable the keylogger that comes with XP? does using FIREFOX alleviate keylogging? why are there anti-keylogging programs?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject: Not at all dumb TattooTeddy, I've wondered the same things. Reply with quote

There are no dumb questions TattooTeddy, especially when it comes to securing your expensive machine Wink Smile . The same quesions that you are asking I've wondered myself. I'm sorry that I can't answer your question Embarassed but I do know that Spybot Search and destroy has many keyloggers that it will remove. Here are some links

Spybot S&D Overview http://spybot.safer-networking.de/en/spybotsd/index.html

Spybot S&D Free Download
http://spybot.safer-networking.de/en/download/index.html

When you open up Spybot, In Mode Click Advanced Mode, click settings, ignore products, and click the keyloggers.sbi tab. Here you will see all the keyloggers that Spybot downloads. Take caution in the advanced mode though as it is only recommended for advanced users. This link features keylogger killing software (https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/soft16a.htm#Killers

But I can't recommend any of it as I haven't tried any of the software listed Embarassed .

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been keylogged once before Sad...Spy Sweeper detected the keylogger but when it was removed it came back when I rebooted. I had to use HJT and manually delete all traces of the keylogger to get rid of it for good.

And...Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I dont believe clicking on a bad link would automatically download a keylogger into your comp w/o your knowledge like with spyware. Keyloggers are programs like every other program where you get prompted to save to a disk or to just open it. Just make sure you dont download anything that you remotely suspect might be a scam and dont open email attachments from unknown senders! Also, make sure you scan all your email attachments even if its from a person you know and trust.

Someone used a keylogger to break into my friend's email address, and the invader sent me the same keylogger in an attachment and said it was a "funny video." I made the mistake of not scanning the attachment because I thought it was my friend who sent it to me...So it just goes to show, you can't be TOO safe.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spy Cop claims to specialize in keyloggers
you could also try spybot, update, immuniazerun a full scan
and ad-aware- update- full scan
install spywareblaster
install a hosts file
keep your os and av up to date
use a different firewall than xp- it only checks in, it does not stop a keylogger from phoneing home
since you are running xp you could run the EWIDO trial
keep it after the trial period as a scanner
microsoft anti spyware will give you some real time protection and scanner is ok also
if using ie lock it down and install ie-spyads
run ccleaner
then defrag
reset rollback

anything that can't be erased or comes back post a HJT in the help forum
read all the stickies in this forum

hope you are on dsl
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do u need to uninstall S and D after u remove spyware?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If, by 'S and D', you mean Spybot Search & Destroy, no, you definitely do not want to uninstall it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MadameX wrote:
If, by 'S and D', you mean Spybot Search & Destroy, no, you definitely do not want to uninstall it.



Yeah i uninstalled once and now everytime i startup i get an error message which says error backweb bla bla
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a list of anti-keylogger apps if that helps.

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/soft16a.htm#Killers
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good firewall should top the list for defending against keyloggers. Not the one that comes with XP. It doesn't control outgoing traffic, which is what conventional keyloggers and a lot of adware rely on. I've never owned an XP unit so I can't address the built in keylogger question. I've heard both ways on that question. Using Firefox does protect you to a degree against some drive-by installs as compared to IE6. This too is changing. As more people use FF, more are finding ways to exploit it.
As for actual anti-keylogger programs, few actually need a separate anti-keylogger. A lot of anti-trojan and anti-spyware programs also target keyloggers. If a keylogger is part of a law enforcement or government surveillance system, most wouldn't target it anyway. Most of the ones you find for sale, including the good ones, target the more paranoid users. That said, I have a trial version of one I'm saving until I "need it".
Aside from keeping everything up to date, patches, etc, probably the best way to keep from getting a keylogger is to have a good process control program in place. Most of these are not for the new user. They require you to have a pretty good understanding of how your system works. Since I use win98, I'm limited to one choice for this kind of app, and it's still in beta. It's System Safety Monitor. The program is quite buggy at present, but will end up being one powerful security application. If you're not familiar with how an operating system works, don't install it. You might want to look at Process Guard if you're using XP or another NTFS based system. Not allowing unknown processes, which includes installers, to run on your system will keep out most keyloggers.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aside from keeping everything up to date, patches, etc, probably the best way to keep from getting a keylogger is to have a good process control program in place. Most of these are not for the new user. They require you to have a pretty good understanding of how your system works. Since I use win98, I'm limited to one choice for this kind of app, and it's still in beta. It's System Safety Monitor. The program is quite buggy at present, but will end up being one powerful security application.


Very excellent advice again herbalist!
You certainly continue without fail to confirm my suspicion that you are a live encyclopedia when it comes to ultimate protections & the programs that are the most likely to succeed.
I have to in all honesty second the nod on advice regarding SYSTEM SAFETY MONITOR specifically. Even should something malicious come close or even land inside a machine you want to have ALL processes (Bases) fully "locked" to being entered, thus effectively trapping any unwanted entry into a corner with no place to transfer it's unit or call out to for extras to affect your good system.

I'm quite certain herbalist is kept a steady research on this by his write-ups i seen before on SSM.
Well i concluded last month with a close-call of my own that even the AVG7 i keep on-board missed detecting from it's "resident" guard. KERIO 215 is a rules-based firewall that not only blocked the "outgoing connection attempt" but of course identified the culprit location affording the time to kill it off before relaying to any other files that also made the trip.
In similar manner, i just only recently tried SSM myself, in order to offer the additional cover and prevention against just such attempts and to my surprise discovered it is not only rule-based but in far greater proportions than i ever imagined!

Every single application and indeed movement! to when it transfers actions to another dll for example it seems are all indicated for (Allow/Block) status you can apply. That to me is just Magnificient!
SSM will surely prove very formidable if not already, even in Beta stage it seems plenty enough in this current stage of development to drive your confidence level up several notches IMO.
Herbalist can make much better case for it then i can and certainly explain it in better detail, but referring again to keyloggers and the like, nothing is more efficient for any system then preventing any entry that does drop inside from landing for all practical purposes, inside what to them just as well be a dead system.
That's yet another huge value to prevention and the total coverage against ALL sorts & fashions of virus/spyware/loggers etc.

Great Topic and replies. Thanks for the time today to add my comments to this.
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